RPG Classics Mailbag
Welcome to yet another mailbag. DG is missing in action, and 984 ran off crying after the last mailbag leaving ME with SG. Again.
Yay! We're gonna have a great time!
Alright, since you mentioned caik we can have a good time. Oh, and we don't hate our readers anymore. You guys managed to send in 33 responses. Very nice.
God lord no, we had just over thirty replies. We LOOOOOOOOVE YOU. *Swoons*
ANYWAYS. SG, want to grab the first reply?
Uh, I do I do. Here, lemme see... All right, the lucky winner is...Slavoc! Let's read.
"Old school" RPGs vs "New Aged" RPGs, well, just
to say, this might be a
Here is why Old school owns New aged *expletive*.
1.Old school doesn't sell just because of its graphics or danged commercials
What about CC and
Anywhoo, Old school can whip around anything PS2, X-Box, and Gamecube
Yeah, Old school had better story by far. Let's look at the most hardcore Old school RPG, DW1. Here's the story. Defeat the Dragon Lord. Yep, that's it. What an epic storyline.
Don't forget rescue the Princess.
Rescue the princess while you're at it, rather.
True true. And we all know that XG's story was horribly simple.
The point is, NEW SCHOOL has a lot more storyline focus, and I'd say that's the one thing is has OVER new school. I admit, I'm no big fan of Final Fantasy 7, but it had a nice story.
It did, except for Cloud falling over constantly grabbing his head. I found that rather amusing.
Yeah yeah, that's true.
Anyways, our next response is from Xeloph- er Limeray, Liemray, Lelos, whatever his name is now.
Wow, He made a good point, right there.
Yeah, no need for a list of reasons or anything.
Yeah well, this deserves something special.
Our next response is from Rountree.
It is I... ROUNTREE- the one formerly known as Cybercompost.
*Rountree gives everyone samitches- YAY!*
The truth of the matter is, neither Old School nor New School (which
OS games tended to have almost no plot. Example: Final Fantasy: you
NS games tend to think that you are a baby. They hold your hand throughout
So in conclusion, I find neither OS or NS games to be superior. In
Oh- Mailbag Person- what do you associate with these words:
You know those aren't real.
...Mama... *drools up a flood*
You will not take a trip in MY head! (end of obscure SD3 reference)
I conquered the universe for DarkFaerie_Nulani! And she gave me a fake kiss! *swoons*
Yeah. You took my frickin universe.
Yeah well, she gave me some nice incentive. :D
And in closing, MOTORCYCLE HAT! MARSHMALLOW DAEMON!
Anyways, Rountree does bring up a good point that neither is better than the other. Each has its strengths and weaknesses.
Indeed. However I saw this topic more as a which one do you like more and why thread. I guess I'm just weird like that.
Well, as long as points are brought up, and you don't just say one thing... Liemray. SG, grab the next letter.
So uh, yeah. By the power of Althena, I summon this letter from MegamanX2K! ...And I knock my kitty off the table for tyring to eat my food! uh anywho...
Yes, I know, sorry, I haven't posted for a mailbag in
*drops a nuke onto the mailbag directly on himself*
*smoke clears revealing that X didn't suffer so much
Ha! Ahh, the old CnC Nuke switcheroo. Gets 'em every
X. You're fired.
Can we fire him if he isn't part of the staff?
Sure. He'll just be fired after we initially make him part of the staff. Mwaaha.
Everyone knows how I feel about SNES RPGs (most of 'em
Yes, Golden Sun does a very good job combining both New and Old School RPG elements to make a spectacular game. The GBA once again proves to be a very good system.
I dunno, I've not played more than 15 minutes of Golden Sun. But uh, what I'm more or less wondering about, is what games X is reffering to with his little CTTALS deal.
Legend of Dragoon. So... bad.... *twitches*
No, that's just the american version. It probly wouldn't have been that bad if they hadn't just translated it with Babelfish. :P I mean, hell, Dart says toast when he hits people, that's badass.
But saying Arf when you're hit?
I do that when the bully punches me though...
So to make up for it...*drops a StarCraft
*smoke clears, revealing X unharmed because he quickly
HA! Oh, you kids...I got a million of 'em. Bye for
...You're FIRED. AGAIN!!!!! And uh, wherever Energon is, that musta sucked for him. :P
Yeah well, it's kinda hard to nuke someone that's in 984's head.
Tell that to X. No wait don't. I want to see him get FIRED AGAIN!! UH anyways.
Just grab another letter before YOU are fired!
I'll grab you! I mean! No! AHHHHHH
No. No you won't.
You're...quite right...I uh...This next reply comes from!... STEVETHENORMALGUY!!!
Who I now hate.
Hello SG, 984, and Kagon....... It's SteveTheNormalGuy
3 things bubba would do in prison with kagon... first he would force him to "Drop the soap" in the shower then he would *blurred out for content* and finally make him give him a foot massage.
You are going to die a horrible, horrible death.
...And after that, Kagon would say "That was a lovely tea party..." Er wha huh yeah? Death. Mmkay.
Yes. You. Death!
Why do I even bother...
But onto the real topic. I prefer the older RPGs because 1) you can get them for free via ROMs and Emulators 2) because they focused on the storyline more than graphics and 3) because i just love the way battles look on the older games. Sure, the graphics of FFX have, as of yet, been unmatched by another RPG, but they could have made a version of the game with japanese voices and american subtitles, so the lips would move with what was being said. the reason i have not been writing in lately is because i recently acquired a social life!!! w00t!
Eh, congrats with the social life... I guess. There's more to the Old School vs New School than graphics though.
Yeah, like. Uh, The inn! The inns are so much cooler in new school RPGs!
Why can't 984 be here!? Why must I suffer alone?!
Suffer? Do you have the chicken pox or something?
Hey it's ok, I had em when I was 6, just scratch em dude.
I don't have the CHICKEN POX! AHHH! Next reply will make things better... I hope. It's from Eden99... ^.^
Meow everyone! ^.^ Tiss me, Eden. Upon request to write in, I have. And just look at you people makes me sick! Look what you have done to the mailbag! You all should be ASHAMED of yourselfs! Firstly, not sending in. I know they aren't as good as Cid. But Cid is dead! So get used to you. AND you three need to have more attention drawing flashy things.... like in pokemon. Killing your readers is always a good thing ^.~ Err... wait no. Thats not true. Well, it dipends really.... Just like your topic for this mailbag! It depends :P
ya I gess it jest dipends on stuff liek that. and you guys SHUD be ahsamed of yourselfsz! lordoo. CID IS DED!
Cid isn't dead. I saw him just yesterday.
NO YOU DIDN'T! YOU'RE FIRED! I mean.
Fine! You handle the MAILBAG! *walks out*
BABAY PLEASE!~!!!! If you just come back to me I swear I'll make everything right again! *Breaks out into a Boyz-2-Men song*
...I guess he ain't coming back...Well, I uh. Man, DG's gonna FIRE me. Like, litterally breath fire ON ME. Better do a good job...
Personaly though, I like the "old" school RPGs. New ones like FFX are just.......... crap :P Sorry to anyone who likes it. But then again, there are always exceptions. I mean, FF8 was okay, it was sitcomie, but Okay. Still though, nothing can compare with SoM, EB, and CT ^.^; 'Course, if you are talking about games in gernal, I like alot of the newer first-person/third-person shoots. The older ones where just.. crap. Crappidy Crap Crappola. But ya, thats just my PoV. And you have three chances to keep my attention span. Good luck ^.~
No, I think it's just me. I
guess is jest dipends.
But Kagon isn't here anymore! COME BACK TO ME EVERYONE!!!! Or Kagon! ORRRRGGG This next reply is from, the titan of terror, the colussus of clout, the great bambi... DARKKNIGHT42291!
Hmm....Old School or New Age? Hmm.....choices...I will have to go
with a mixture, like Xenogears, FF6(FF3 is on NES damnit!), Battle Realms(ok
ok, its an RTS.), Live a Live(hey, it had all of those chapters..), and
FFT. The reason is, Old School can be cliched too easily (kill the dragon,
save my daughter/the world/the 4/6/8/12 crystals) and New Age can be boring(Plot
of FF8:Guy with no personality appears. Finds hot dog eater, a hyper active
girl, a cowboy who tries to steal all the women, a princess(i think),
and his Teacher. Tries to kill sorceress. Sorceress comes to senses. Finds
out that using monsters to kill enemies erases memory. Remembers that
sorceress is their foster parent and all of them but the princess grew
up together. Kills other sorceress. Worry. Hug. End.). And most of the
best RPGs are like that. Wow, a new record in length for my mailbag entries.
Wow, it's funny how you tried to boil down the story of FF8 and it still took up a big piece of your reply. Good job. :P The next one is a nice reply from Sorc.
I just prefer rpgs.
That was exactly what I wanted to hear from someone. Oh wait, I'm lying. This one's for you!
Here's one from Doc Shinryuu. Maybe he can fix my broken heart, it just hasn't been the same since Kagon left me...Oh, no...*Cries*
*Upon glancing at the door, you notice that there is a Tao Symbol
*from the background* Ahh! I almost shot him too! So close!
Sorry, but I'm not allowing you to play the music of a rapper who subtly starts shit to get attention and money. So yeah, on with the reply.
Hey, what's a VR? Is that like ER only like, cooler? Or is it Virtua Racer?
Too bad he didn't know I put plot holes on the ceiling. Mwaaha. Sucker. Matador! CHUPITO!!!!! AHHHHAHAHAHAHAhAHAHAHaA n'stuff like that.
See, I leave you alone for a minute and look what happens. I shouldn't have just shot at Doc Shinryuu...
Indeed it is.
OH, Hold me! *Jumps in Kagon's Arms*
Oh how I missed you so...what the Ooooof~~~
You're taller than me, and you weigh more- you expect me to HOLD you now?
It's not like I could really jump into your arms either, but I guess if I could get that far, we could do ANYTHING if we put our minds to it!
Except, well... not. Anyhow, before you get more sentimental, here's a response from d Galloway
First off, I didn't respond to the mailbag last time because:
We don't hate you anymore.
Old School: These little buggers started the whole "RPG" craze in the video game world. FF1 and DW began it all, with the 16-bit era to perfect it. Some games, like Lufia 2 (*sigh*), Tales of Phantasia (*looks up to the sky*), and SD3 (*nearly has a loving heart attack*) stay in my heart. However, crap like Lufia 1 (*shudders*), Shadowrunner (*groans in extreme pain*), or Monstania (*falls to the floor heaving*) emerged.
Rar! Lufia 1 WAS good for its time!
Lufia 1 was better than two to me.
I wouldn't go that far, but meh.
Not to mention it got my best
friend hooked on RPGs, so.
GRAR! Chrono Cross and Parasite Eve were both damn good games. Parasite Eve 2 though... *shudders*
Never played Parasite Eve 2. I think i'd like it, just cos I seem to like things that everyone doens't like. I liked Quest 64. Wasn't that a nice game, Kagon?
No. Well, maybe I proved your point, but you can get the next reply.
Ok, here's one from a new face, under the alias of Clockwood.
My name is Clockwood and this is my first visit to the mailbag. I hope you guys don't mind but I brought along a few friends.
::Clockwood opens a bag and several hueballs roll out::
Hey Kagon! Catch this BALLLLLLL!!!! *Throws the red one at Kagon*
*shoots the ball in mid-air*
Lun's plasma rifle training paid off.
You're gonna have to replace those. They were really cool soul sucky balls and you just shot em! Sorry Clockwood! I'll make sure he doesn't do that again
Yeah well, I like my soul. Almost as much as I like caik.
Caik is good. hey, send balls that make CAIK next time Clockwood!
While these little buggers attempt to eat your souls I will give you my opinion. I vastly prefer classic rpgs. Terranigma had the best sprites I have ever seen, Final Fantasy 6 had the best plotline in existence, and Seiken Densetsu 3 had the best background art there is. What do these newfangled games have? Highly visible polygons, half asped (that's right, half snaked) plotlines, and an insane control system. The golden age has come and gone.
Eh, I don't think it's gone just yet. Some of the newer games are still very good. Take Golden Sun for example.
I think a lot of the newer games are really good. Most of my favorites, like Chrono Cross and the SaGa Frontier games are new school. Then there's Grandia 2...oh, lordo...
Yeah, without the new school, there wouldn't be SaGa Frontier 1 or 2.
Yeah, and who would want that? I hope no one answers that.
No one will. *glares around*
We should bring a scarecrow here that looks like Lunaris. That would do the trick.
*puts up a Lunaris scarecrow*
Mwaahahaha, perfect-o.Anywho, that oughtta do the trick. Next one is from Bjorkman.
Your points are well summed up. Jeez, can't argue with that.
Heh. Very true.
Anywho, next one is from Archone...
I would have responded to the previous post, but I don't know that
many actors/actresses. People living in Hollywood and pretending to be
someone special just aren't that important to me...
Gosh, what New School RPGs have bad story? And which of the ones with bad story have bad gameplay?? New School RPGs always have one or the other as a strong point. I just don't see this lack of gameplay or story in any New School RPG.
Yeah, even some of the BAD New School RPGs still have some good elements in them.
Yeah, There's always one or the other to new school RPGs, that's just the way it is nowadays.
So next time, please be a wee bit more specific. Our next reply is from Epicgamer.
Hiya all you mailbagging type people! It's Epicgamer here with a semi-coherent
Anyways, Oldschool vs New? You do relise this topic will undoubtably
First off lemme explain my stand on the subject. I believe that an
I like oldschool better. The biggest reason being that those are the
Now if I found a game with a great story, gameplay AND graphics that's
Sorry Epicgamer...I don't mean to be rude, but it seems like you're more fixated on graphics than you might think. There are a lot of PSX/N64/DC RPGs that don't even TRY to hit this amazing movie, smashing graphics deal that you speak of. In fact, I don't think a lot of them do at all, really. To use newer examples, look at the breath of fire games, Evolution, Quest 64, Even Xenogears.
Our next reply comes from Shock Ra.
I am beginning to feel like a broken record answering this question,
because every discussion I get into about video games these days seems
to return to this point. Maybe I'm getting old. But old-school games are
the way to go, for me at least.
Yeah, well old school RPGs aren't always known for their in-depth plot.
Exactly what he's getting at though. Old-school RPGs were a lot more gameplay focused, which is a strongpoint of them to me. I do think that a lot of New school RPGs have nice battle systems, but they're not usually that challenging. I think that's what he's getting at, more or less.
Yeah, I agree with what he's getting at, but some New School RPGs are rather challenging like... euh... well maybe not.
Yeah, like. 3 of them. I think.
Xenogears had difficult Gear battles, but that was pretty much it.
I thought the non-gear battles were the hard ones...
Nope. You had to worry about fuel in your gear, and repairs don't come easily.
Then again you died a lot faster out of your gear. Recall the fight against Id. Mwaaahahaha this would make a good mailbag topic! :P
Yes, but Id wasn't nice to begin with. And near the end, the Gear battles started getting rather nasty.
Yeah, I agree.
I'm not quite sure whatr you mean...if you're trying to see both sides of the picture, I must say that not all games do that... The S a G a series is a focused a lot off of the story and doesn't concern graphics all too much. Of course, I'm not too smart, and you might be talking about something else.
Yeah, SaGa solves all problems... er.
I hold that truth to be self evident!
Enjoy those prunes!
This one from Green Mage's a real doozy!
Hey, hey, hey Mailbag team. I heard your cry for replies, and was like, "Oh damn, I could write in something," So here it is, enjoy ;-P.
Aww...how sweet...Kagon hold me...again...
Er no thanks.
The original Dragon Warrior system is still good though. It's always a nice kickback to play an older game and have a system like that. Plus there aren't any 5 minute long summons.
For reals, If you cast Knights of the Round in FF7, you should just go to the store or something while you wait. It's not worth it to watch it every time, and endure such pain and suffering.
Yes. Also, it's nice that you can summon a meteor, but frankly, I don't feel like waiting the actual amount of time it'd take to get here.
Yeah, PLUS the loading time, sheesh.
Our next response is from our own Cless Alvein. kthxbye
Hi guys. (If SG's out there, I'll have to say: BREEEEEAAAADDDDD!!!!!!!!)
Well uh. You kinda negated each point you made in your little spiel. Uh, good job dude. But don't take MY word for it!
Er. You mentioned the greatness of Chrono Trigger then went on to made it seem like it wasn't great after all. I'm a bit confused but alright.
Our next letter comes from the lovely miss Faetan.
Awwwww, I love you guys, so even if I don't have too
We love you too!
Did you SEE that? She LOVES me! She loves ME! SHE loves me! Wow...
Not you. Us.
Yeah yeah sure sure.
Just going by what it says pal.
Personally, I like the older ones. Maybe it's because
Well uh...The thing is most New school RPGS DO indeed have a big story focus. That's a big thing nowadays.
Well, it depends on the RPG. If the story isn't that great and there's little character development, I won't care too much about the characters. New Age RPGs do tend to have some very good character development as do Old School ones.
Yeah, it depends really. Though I believe that generally newer ones concentrate on it more. Could be wrong.
Let's see who's next... er... Sewerscum23. Nice name.
old school of course i hate like all the new rpgs coming out especially
I understand completely. Just kidding.
Liek ogm toly.
OK kids, here's a gould one from Aude Odeh.
Which do you prefer in general, Old School or New Age RPGs?
The battle system of the New Age RPG's has to be what i prefer. The turn table system was to plain and simple. My favorite would have to be Tales of Phantasia side-scroller fight screen.
Er. ToP IS Old School.
Maybe we should have clarified exactly where old school starts and new school begins?
New School begins at PSX. Only PSX game that's still Old School is Dragon Warrior 7.
I meant BEFORE we got all the letters silly. :P EIther way, he makes some good points about the games he talks about. We continue reading.
In music, i prefer the Old School Snes RPG's. Nothing has ever came
close to match the music, 'cept for some elite PSX games, ChronoCross,
Xenogears etc. But the storyline has to go to the Old School. With the
limited space on a cartridge, they had to do as much as they could in
as little space as possible, making sure that they put only the best on.
And that is exactly what they did.
...Cept for the NES Era. Games like Final Fantasy 2-3, and Mother, showed that the NES was capable of a lot.
Well, some of the best stories DO come from PSX games like Vagrant Story, Xenogears, and Chrono Cross... despite the fact almost everyone HATED Chrono Cross.
For SOME reason.
Yeah! It was a good game people! Give it a chance! Our next reply comes from the lovely Helen Donaldson.
May want to get used to this spountaneous and random responding from
That's cool right?
Yeah, well games tend to steal MY soul multiple times. It's kinda painful at first, but you get used to it.
Besides, you have to do it if you wanna be cool.
Yeah, that's what all the cool kids said.
Now, to respond to the mailbag. And I saw this question coming from
She understands! It doesn't matter as long as the game is good! AAAAAAHAHHAHA!
Indeed. I tell this to a lot of me RL RPG friends who are totaly story whores. :P
Er... but I'm a story whore.
I still hate you.
Although, if I really HAD to choose, I'd just say New-School to spite
That made perfectly good sense. And it's always nice to spite people like that.
live-a-live is _________ school! Yeah woo!
Er okay, SG just grab the next letter.
Er...This one is from...LZFFSMOG? I think he mispelled his name.
I'd have to check to confirm that.
This is LZFFSMOG, and unlike last weeks response, I'm responding to
this one. Personally, when it comes to the choice between old school and
New age RPG's, it depends on my mood. Also, there is IMHO, two different
versions of old school style. There is the pen and paper style reflected
in games such as Wasteland or A Bard's Tale, and there are the other old
school games, such as Dragon Warrior and Final Fantasy. I don't like the
Bard's Tale set up, since the process of creating the characters is really
clunky(Unless you count Final Fantasy Legends as a game in this catagory,
which I liked, mostly do to the fact that its character creation process
was simple, allowing me to actually start the game), and, hence, don't
play those type of RPG's. The other type of RPG would be the Final Fantasy/Dragon
Warrior game, which requires little thought to play, yet is fun and addicting.
Then, there are New Age RPG's, which have better graphics and such, but
haven't really changed in many aspects, which might be a good thing. Sure,
many people complain that there hasn't been much inovation, but then agian,
those same people complain when inovation does occur(They tried inovation
in FF8, and that didn't turn out as well as it could have). People also
complain about the story line not being as good as Old-school, which I
disagree with. People complain that the story lines have been done before,
which is correct. The thing people forget is that there aren't many stories
to tell, and that applies to everything, not just games. In fact, the
ancient greeks devised that there are only 30 stories to be told. Personally,
I like New Age for the same reason I like the old Dragon Warrior Games,
and that is vegging out(which is the same reason I read books, I don't
put anything out, just absorb what is fed to me).
Yeah, it was a hard follow. THese look like my rough drafts in English class. :O
Eh, I understood it perfectly. SG's just a bit slow. As long as the game's good, it's fine.
Hey! I didn't say I didn't understand it!
Yeah well, just grab another letter.
Fine fine...This one is from ballsiml.
Definitely old-school. I love the older RPGs. Newer
I don't know what games' you've played...but I can think of a million games in the new school era that focus more on exploration.
Well, I believe as long as a good story is told, it can work be it based on emotion or what. And if you don't like linear gameplay, try out the SaGa series.
Or Legend Of Mana for that matter.
Wooo, both work. And Legend of Mana's music is just plain great.
Well, the next reply comes from our TRT friend, Rirse.
Sorry for the lack of replies last time from me, but since I still
recovering from a vacation, I couldn't get any good ideas. But since SG
was invited (oh the humanity ^^), I have decided to give you a reason
to have DG come back. Plus, if I didn't reply, Megaman984 would send me
to the "Pit of Al Gore"!
Er, actually I already have a rather interesting idea for a topic for next time. Mwaha 'n stuff.
I like his topic better. :P I woulda chosen 7TH SAGA! ARRRG
You don't even know my idea. I'd choose Quest 64. Rar.
I already KNOW I like Rirse's better. :P
Yeah well fine, we'll use it. Our next reply comes from a broke Rufus.
Sure, I'll buy it for you, but first you have to send me a blank, signed check for me to use.
I think he likes new school better. Alright alright, this next one comes from...The pretty pretty princess! ...The PS2 Princess anyways.
*glares at SG* I KNOW what you were implying!
Hey-ya'll!! wow its been a while since i responded (i was in Florida
no ?uestion 'bout it,Old Skool definantly rocks, chow ya'all!
This coming from the PS2 Princess. Maybe she's the Phantasy Star 2 Princess. :P
Yeah, perhaps. And yes, Kefka was a rather wacky guy =P. Our next reply comes from Slyvain Lafontaine.
Well, personally, I don't prefer one or the other. If the game is good, then I'll like it. Overall, I do think New Age games are generally better because they have far more character develop and usually better plots. However, they do have their faults. Sometimes, they tend to seem rushed at times and only focus on graphics.
That was succinct, yet hard to make fun of cos you're quite right. I personally don't like separating Old school from new school. If I like it I like it, if I don't, then I don't. It's like music. I don't particularly like to say "I like Rock" or "I like Rap" cos it really depends. I don't like or dislike all of any particualr thing. Other than that I just don't see a huge distinction between old and new school.
Very true, the distinction isn't all that great at times. Our last response comes from Jiharn. GR.
Hey there...I was too lazy to read the whole mailbag, but I read enough to see the next question. It took me a while to think of the answer, but I finally solved the problem of:
"If you were a big prisoner named Bubba, what would you do to Kagon?"
I know just what I would do...
Ji, I know where you live, and when you get back from Harvard... DEATH!
Wow, at least SOMEONE listens to me.
Why anyone would, I could never know.
Hey Kagon go get me some caik.
Get it yourself.
Well I guess I failed to prove that point.
Yeah, I knew you would. Anyhow, my original idea is being postponed for now- our topic comes in from Rirse. What RPG do you wish was never made? Don't just give me an RPG name- tell me why and what made you hate the game so much. See you next time guys and perhaps with 984 and DG.